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Blueline Poetry - Topics http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/index.php Poetry in Process en-gb Copyright (c) Blueline Poetry blueline@goobertree.com (Blueline Poetry) blueline@goobertree.com (Blueline Poetry) Mon, 06 Sep 2010 00:00:00 -0500 Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:00:56 -0500 MSSTI RSS Feed 2.0 Version 1.0.9 - (C) 2008-2009 leviatan21 - http://www.mssti.com/ Blueline Poetry - Topics http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/styles/prosilver/imageset/site_logo.gif http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/index.php 60 1 - 5 A Phrase or Two Would Do http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131140#p131140
I have waited long enough
For a few words,
Just a phrase or two.
I’ll put a penny under my pillow
and hope to wake tomorrow
with a phrase or two.
Sure don’t have it tonight.
Goodnight. Goodnight.
Just remember a phrase or two would do,
would do.

Martha

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I have waited long enough
For a few words,
Just a phrase or two.
I’ll put a penny under my pillow
and hope to wake tomorrow
with a phrase or two.
Sure don’t have it tonight.
Goodnight. Goodnight.
Just remember a phrase or two would do,
would do.

Martha]]>
marthagalphin@hotmail.com (martha galphin)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:10:31 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131140#p131140
I.15 'Overing http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131200#p131200
Overdue.
She’s overdue.
There are no do-overs.
She’s undone.

No no the book is overdue.
I think you’ve overdone it this time.
You are over-reacting.
I am not overly sensitive.

Well, she’s over-age.
I think you have to pay extra for overage.
You actually pay less for underage.
You could pay over time.

No no overtime can be quite costly.
You were never timely.
Don’t overdo
...

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Overdue.
She’s overdue.
There are no do-overs.
She’s undone.

No no the book is overdue.
I think you’ve overdone it this time.
You are over-reacting.
I am not overly sensitive.

Well, she’s over-age.
I think you have to pay extra for overage.
You actually pay less for underage.
You could pay over time.

No no overtime can be quite costly.
You were never timely.
Don’t overdo
...]]>
chuck_lev@comcast.net (Crispus)Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:48:15 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131200#p131200
LI.8. rules suck, a libertarian manifesto http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131201#p131201 that’s my conviction

except for those
that protect me

from bank robbers
and serial killers

and international
assassins
and incompetent motor
vehice operators
and rogue cops

and islamic terrorists
and communist terrorists
and canadian terrorists
and lutheran terrorists
and morman terrorists
and zen terrorists
and people for the ethical
threatment of animals
terrorists
and pat boone
...

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that’s my conviction

except for those
that protect me

from bank robbers
and serial killers

and international
assassins
and incompetent motor
vehice operators
and rogue cops

and islamic terrorists
and communist terrorists
and canadian terrorists
and lutheran terrorists
and morman terrorists
and zen terrorists
and people for the ethical
threatment of animals
terrorists
and pat boone
...]]>
allen.itz@gmail.com (allenitz)Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:53:16 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131201#p131201
XVI. 3. YES, We Would http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131138#p131138
There are no bears,
no deer, nor squirrels
or chipmunks
in this wildlife
National Park
just nene geese,
‘i’iwi honeycreepers,
and Hawaiian
hoary bats.

Oh yes, there’s
Madam Pele
making her
presence known
with a constant
spewing of lava
since 1983.

We joked yesterday
at the Visitors’ Center,
if an old white-haired
woman were to stop
us and ask for a ride,
we’d make
...

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There are no bears,
no deer, nor squirrels
or chipmunks
in this wildlife
National Park
just nene geese,
‘i’iwi honeycreepers,
and Hawaiian
hoary bats.

Oh yes, there’s
Madam Pele
making her
presence known
with a constant
spewing of lava
since 1983.

We joked yesterday
at the Visitors’ Center,
if an old white-haired
woman were to stop
us and ask for a ride,
we’d make
...]]>
sternjrw001@hawaii.rr.com ('Ilima Stern)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:08:29 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131138#p131138
XVI. 1. Punt http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131135#p131135

XVI. 1. Punt

It’s not rocket science.
Packing for a weekend trip
shouldn’t be stressful
but Friday sneaked up on me!

The
...

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XVI. 1. Punt

It’s not rocket science.
Packing for a weekend trip
shouldn’t be stressful
but Friday sneaked up on me!

The
...]]>
sternjrw001@hawaii.rr.com ('Ilima Stern)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:04:25 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131135#p131135
1-24 Repetition http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131142#p131142
Clippity-clop, clippity-clop,
little toy pony gallops across
box top, sips from Riley’s glass,
clippity-clops to the box edge.

“Oh, no, the door is closed,
I can’t get in! Please open
the door and let me in.”

She laughs at the words
and opens the door.
“Thank you,” the horse sighs
before jumping inside.

Sung, not said, repeated
as each little horse
gallops across the box
...

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Clippity-clop, clippity-clop,
little toy pony gallops across
box top, sips from Riley’s glass,
clippity-clops to the box edge.

“Oh, no, the door is closed,
I can’t get in! Please open
the door and let me in.”

She laughs at the words
and opens the door.
“Thank you,” the horse sighs
before jumping inside.

Sung, not said, repeated
as each little horse
gallops across the box
...]]>
judybnotes@gmail.com (hawkseye)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:15:07 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131142#p131142
XVI. 2. Mauna Kea http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131137#p131137

Mauna Kea

As seen from a jet,
the summit of Mauna Kea
soars high above
a blanket of clouds,
bare and brown, not yet
dusted with snow,
observatiories
wink in the sun.

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Mauna Kea

As seen from a jet,
the summit of Mauna Kea
soars high above
a blanket of clouds,
bare and brown, not yet
dusted with snow,
observatiories
wink in the sun.]]>
sternjrw001@hawaii.rr.com ('Ilima Stern)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:06:13 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131137#p131137
LXIII-16 Too Close for Comfort http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131180#p131180
Achhhhhh! Achhhhhh!
someone across the way
sneezes night and day
but without the
satisfaction of the
Chooooo!

Sounds like a big man,
a big belly sneeze,
flaring nostrils, huge sinuses,
a deep, red throat,
enormous lungs tickled by some
fiendish allergen, Achhhhhhchooo!

But, it never comes.

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Achhhhhh! Achhhhhh!
someone across the way
sneezes night and day
but without the
satisfaction of the
Chooooo!

Sounds like a big man,
a big belly sneeze,
flaring nostrils, huge sinuses,
a deep, red throat,
enormous lungs tickled by some
fiendish allergen, Achhhhhhchooo!

But, it never comes.]]>
alicefolkart@gmail.com (AJFolkart)Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:38:30 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131180#p131180
XV.16 Overindulgence http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131054#p131054 myopic youth
neglects his teeth.

Gummy candy
belly and
devouring habits
dentist’s dream.

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myopic youth
neglects his teeth.

Gummy candy
belly and
devouring habits
dentist’s dream.]]>
conniededona@gmail.com (connied)Sat, 04 Sep 2010 14:00:40 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131054#p131054
XI-14 Coolin' Down For Sleep http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131103#p131103
Temperature dropped twenty
points in two nights.
Sixty-three degrees just right
for sleep, window open, fan low.
Maybe I won’t be tempted
to go nude, after all.

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Temperature dropped twenty
points in two nights.
Sixty-three degrees just right
for sleep, window open, fan low.
Maybe I won’t be tempted
to go nude, after all.]]>
blueline@goobertree.com (Helen V)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:12:13 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131103#p131103
XIX.19 Fire http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131131#p131131 Fire

whenever we touch
the surrounding sky ignites
hot flames burn my skin –
I dance inside the fire
jealous of windblown ashes


***
a tanka

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Fire

whenever we touch
the surrounding sky ignites
hot flames burn my skin –
I dance inside the fire
jealous of windblown ashes


***
a tanka]]>
blueline@goobertree.com (Wiltshire)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 16:33:14 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131131#p131131
1.15 Flu Shots http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131111#p131111
Waiting for a flu shot
Since I have time
Before lunch with skinny G
Whose bones I think
I was not to comment upon
I could tell from the look
Her mentor gave me
Like I had stepped in shit.

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Waiting for a flu shot
Since I have time
Before lunch with skinny G
Whose bones I think
I was not to comment upon
I could tell from the look
Her mentor gave me
Like I had stepped in shit.]]>
chuck_lev@comcast.net (Crispus)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:09:10 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131111#p131111
LI.7. summer grasses http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131102#p131102 summer grasses-
all that remains
of warriors’ dreams

- - - - - Basho Matsuo


reading this morning
about
the little village

of Berg’s Mill
that grew up around
San Juan Mission

in south San Antonio -
dismantled
and removed when

the missions became
national
historical sites -

nothing left now,
but little pecan trees
grown big

and memories
of those
who grew up there

- our front door was right
here,

...

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summer grasses-
all that remains
of warriors’ dreams

- - - - - Basho Matsuo


reading this morning
about
the little village

of Berg’s Mill
that grew up around
San Juan Mission

in south San Antonio -
dismantled
and removed when

the missions became
national
historical sites -

nothing left now,
but little pecan trees
grown big

and memories
of those
who grew up there

- our front door was right
here,

...]]>
allen.itz@gmail.com (allenitz)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 09:44:56 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131102#p131102
XIX.18 Ticking Down http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131089#p131089 Ticking Down

The grandfather clock ticks down
time behind our silly laughter,

metronomes our tremulous
smiles, an occasional tear.

Sisters know the secret
places behind serene faces,

Pleasure and pain combine
as we mirror thepast:

she looks like mother did;
you still have Dad’s eyes.


Not like the old days
when everyone was alive,

when you couldn’t get a word
in, when babies and husbands

divided
...

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Ticking Down

The grandfather clock ticks down
time behind our silly laughter,

metronomes our tremulous
smiles, an occasional tear.

Sisters know the secret
places behind serene faces,

Pleasure and pain combine
as we mirror thepast:

she looks like mother did;
you still have Dad’s eyes.


Not like the old days
when everyone was alive,

when you couldn’t get a word
in, when babies and husbands

divided
...]]>
blueline@goobertree.com (Wiltshire)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 01:44:13 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131089#p131089
XXXVIII. 8. Seeing as if at first http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131080#p131080 Seeing as if at first

On this day there is the clash
of good sense stamping stockinged
feet. Unheard in the din of good humor.
A black needle moving barely against
pearl dial. So brief a mind might back-up
on itself. Rewind. Did that happen?
Will it happen again. Ah no. Just once.
No trumpets bleating. No entrance hymns.
There is that same unstillness with sea urchins.
Motion unseen. Unwatched.
...

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Seeing as if at first

On this day there is the clash
of good sense stamping stockinged
feet. Unheard in the din of good humor.
A black needle moving barely against
pearl dial. So brief a mind might back-up
on itself. Rewind. Did that happen?
Will it happen again. Ah no. Just once.
No trumpets bleating. No entrance hymns.
There is that same unstillness with sea urchins.
Motion unseen. Unwatched.
...]]>
sbmcdonough@gmail.com (sonoranpoet)Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:57:15 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131080#p131080
XI.11 Counting on http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131104#p131104 Two hands of mine can keep typing out lines.
Three children all grownup to keep me sane most times.
Four sisters remind me of Mom and Dad's lives.
Five empty months go by.
Six years to keep on teaching and keep learning why.
Seven hours of sleep or six as the clock strikes.
Eight, nine, ten poets to make me strive.

hugsmo

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Two hands of mine can keep typing out lines.
Three children all grownup to keep me sane most times.
Four sisters remind me of Mom and Dad's lives.
Five empty months go by.
Six years to keep on teaching and keep learning why.
Seven hours of sleep or six as the clock strikes.
Eight, nine, ten poets to make me strive.

hugsmo]]>
moswan199@aol.com (mo)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:45:51 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131104#p131104
XV.17 Mental Abuse http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131109#p131109 so much
sweetheart.

Now follow
all my
commands
to the letter.

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so much
sweetheart.

Now follow
all my
commands
to the letter.]]>
conniededona@gmail.com (connied)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:45:49 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131109#p131109
LI.6. friday night football http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131039#p131039 football, black and white

guys
against red and white guys

and the black
and white guys are getting

they butts whipped
and they’re also “my” team

or at least my cheerleader niece’s
team which makes them

my team
by adoption

and they’re getting
their butts whipped, 21-0,

and it’s still the 2nd quarter...

it’s a new school, first year,
new team

no seniors
and they
...

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football, black and white

guys
against red and white guys

and the black
and white guys are getting

they butts whipped
and they’re also “my” team

or at least my cheerleader niece’s
team which makes them

my team
by adoption

and they’re getting
their butts whipped, 21-0,

and it’s still the 2nd quarter...

it’s a new school, first year,
new team

no seniors
and they
...]]>
allen.itz@gmail.com (allenitz)Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131039#p131039
LXIII - 15 Prose Poem on Lovely People http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131090#p131090
They're lovely people, really. Really, they are. Lovely. And nice. Just because they speak no English is no reason not to like such lovely people. And she such a good cook. And he, who at first we thought was a crook, a good host, the toast of the town. He pours wine so fine that we could never have it otherwise in crystal goblets big enough for Hobbits
...

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They're lovely people, really. Really, they are. Lovely. And nice. Just because they speak no English is no reason not to like such lovely people. And she such a good cook. And he, who at first we thought was a crook, a good host, the toast of the town. He pours wine so fine that we could never have it otherwise in crystal goblets big enough for Hobbits
...]]>
alicefolkart@gmail.com (AJFolkart)Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:04:39 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131090#p131090
1.14 August http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131050#p131050
All the statisticians are away
on the Cape,
psychiatrists on Martha’s Vineyard,

investment bankers, movie stars,
and political notables
are sequestered on Nantucket.

And the ne’er do wells, domestic
dispute lawyers, state
college professors and social
worker significant others
are sitting by Lake Winnipesauke

wishing fossil-fuel powered vehicles,
motor boats, ski-contraptions,
...

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All the statisticians are away
on the Cape,
psychiatrists on Martha’s Vineyard,

investment bankers, movie stars,
and political notables
are sequestered on Nantucket.

And the ne’er do wells, domestic
dispute lawyers, state
college professors and social
worker significant others
are sitting by Lake Winnipesauke

wishing fossil-fuel powered vehicles,
motor boats, ski-contraptions,
...]]>
chuck_lev@comcast.net (Crispus)Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:47:25 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131050#p131050
XI.10 Tired of Trying to Sleep http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131022#p131022 rigid boards--a hard sleeping place.
I toss around and around this small space
once made for two bodies.
I just don't fit here any more.



mo

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rigid boards--a hard sleeping place.
I toss around and around this small space
once made for two bodies.
I just don't fit here any more.



mo]]>
moswan199@aol.com (mo)Sat, 04 Sep 2010 05:16:40 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131022#p131022
LXIII - 14 Mama's Paradox http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=130999#p130999
He stood in line
with all the other grownups
at the airport
I had to turn my head
as I pulled away from the curb,
the airport cop
hurrying me on,
'Come on, Lady! Move it!'

His daypack
the only clue to
the little boy he once was.
The big, Roll-aboard suitcase
a serious travel statement.

We didn't wave.
We didn't cry.
I didn't ask if he had his ticket.
He didn't
...

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He stood in line
with all the other grownups
at the airport
I had to turn my head
as I pulled away from the curb,
the airport cop
hurrying me on,
'Come on, Lady! Move it!'

His daypack
the only clue to
the little boy he once was.
The big, Roll-aboard suitcase
a serious travel statement.

We didn't wave.
We didn't cry.
I didn't ask if he had his ticket.
He didn't
...]]>
alicefolkart@gmail.com (AJFolkart)Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:53:10 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=130999#p130999
XI-13 Vanity and Heat http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131029#p131029
I feel like taking my clothes off,
sitting near the computer
with the fan directed full blast,
at me.

Years ago I may have felt like doing that,
shyness prevented me from doing so.

Today, I’m still somewhat shy,
but it isn’t that…it’s the shape
of my body, the little roll of fat,
the tiny wrinkles across areas
not wishing to be seen.
And so, vanity keeps me too warm,
lack
...

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I feel like taking my clothes off,
sitting near the computer
with the fan directed full blast,
at me.

Years ago I may have felt like doing that,
shyness prevented me from doing so.

Today, I’m still somewhat shy,
but it isn’t that…it’s the shape
of my body, the little roll of fat,
the tiny wrinkles across areas
not wishing to be seen.
And so, vanity keeps me too warm,
lack
...]]>
blueline@goobertree.com (Helen V)Sat, 04 Sep 2010 08:22:44 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131029#p131029
XIX.17 The Guest Room http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131011#p131011 The Guest Room

perfect
workspace: peaceful
atmosphere for writing –
then family arrives, creates
chaos

***

Family here for the long weekend. My office a guestroom. I'll be as good about posting as I can. Luckily, I don't mind a little chaos!

W

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The Guest Room

perfect
workspace: peaceful
atmosphere for writing –
then family arrives, creates
chaos

***

Family here for the long weekend. My office a guestroom. I'll be as good about posting as I can. Luckily, I don't mind a little chaos!

W]]>
blueline@goobertree.com (Wiltshire)Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:03:52 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=131011#p131011
XI-12 Massachusetts Camp http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=130945#p130945
Bob’s Camp in Massachusetts
on a small lake had been sold
a few years ago. But I remember:

Whenever we went there for a few days,
it was fixing the water to come on,
(a big problem that used a hose
into the lake, a pump that didn’t
always work, and a hungry man.)

Maple trees, great oaks on three sides
of the camp, leaving knee-high leaves
to rake, piled into containers
...

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Bob’s Camp in Massachusetts
on a small lake had been sold
a few years ago. But I remember:

Whenever we went there for a few days,
it was fixing the water to come on,
(a big problem that used a hose
into the lake, a pump that didn’t
always work, and a hungry man.)

Maple trees, great oaks on three sides
of the camp, leaving knee-high leaves
to rake, piled into containers
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blueline@goobertree.com (Helen V)Fri, 03 Sep 2010 10:22:14 -0500http://blueline.goobertree.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=130945#p130945